Saturday, October 22, 2005

Anthems

Even more of them:
"Beautiful World" by Colin Hay. Haven't heard it but looks like the lyrics make it suitable.

"Nobody's in Love This Year" by Warren Zevon. "For the rate of attrition for lovers like us/Is steadily on the rise/ And nobody's in love this year/ Not even you and I"

"Everyone's Your Friend in New York City" by They Might Be Giants. Pretty much a fantasy, but wonderful.

"Frankly Mr Shankly" by The Smiths "Frankly Mr Shankly I'm a sickening wreck / I've got the twentyfirst century breathing down my neck/ I have to go/ You will not miss me/ I want to go down in celluloid history" followed by "I want to live and I want to love/ I want to catch somthing that I might be ashamed of". So brilliant that I will forgive the hanging preposition. Almost.

"For What Is Chatteris..." by Half Man, Half Biscuit. This is effectively a Philip Larkin poem set to music, and wonderful.
There are many more, but the number will become ridiculous soon.

We also need more Icons
I'm taking this opportunity to instate King James the first of England and sixth of Scotland. He was very good at being a King, he prevented civil war, changed his mind about witchcraft and was intelligent. If you were forced to have a King he or Richard the third would be the best choices.

Alcibiades Cleinou Scambonides
Because he was "charming" and outrageous.

Many of the other options are either already over used (The reason that Oscar Wilde isn't here" or overly obscure (the reason that EFRUvW-M is not here.) Suggestions, as ever, are welcome.

23 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oscar is only over used because he was quite possibly that great. He ought at least to be a figure of reference.

Also, oughtn't you to have some sort of probleam with James, given his attitude towards Catholics? (Speaking of which, how did that chat with the priest go?)

11:35 AM  
Blogger pseudo bohemian loser said...

Yes, I do have a problem but I still admire him. It was clearly because he was actually Catholic (Catholic mother and lived in FRANCE of all places). Oscar will always be a figure of ref, but is not a specific icon. And I do have problems with him, as you know.

11:53 AM  
Blogger zazzi said...

Oh, poor EFRUvW-M! He must be so upset. And I added him to my initials, and all.
You MUST have Procoius, I insist upon it! Also, following in the Warren Zevon tradition, and a fine one it is too, might we add: 'Werewolves of London' to our anthems? Fine song, very good song, sample lyric: 'Saw a werewolf with a chinese menu in his hand/ Walking the streets of SoHo in the rain/ He was looking for a place called Lee Ho Fook's, etc etc, v v v exciting song!
I would also like to nominate an icon doomed to failure. Maggie Thatcher - there, I said it! The best thing that ever happened to this country! I know you won't accept her, but I have to nominate her anyway.

12:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^
gah


Your hair=gone. I am sharpening my scissors.


Actually, your problems with Oscar have not been elaborated upon, oh pretentious one. I know nothing about them other than that they exist.

4:00 PM  
Blogger zazzi said...

My hair? Her hair? Whose hair? Am quite alarmed...

10:38 AM  
Blogger pseudo bohemian loser said...

My problems with Oscar wilde are moral. He is forgiven because of "De Profundis" but regadless of sexual orientation it is bad form to lavish money on your lover while your family go bankrupt. Had he paid his bills I'd have had no problem whatsoever.
NO! Zazzi, Thatcher was evil. Atlee was the best thing that ever happened to the country. And we can't have "Werewolves of London" because it is wonderful but does not embody the subculture's values. "Mr Bad Example" perhaps.
"I'm very well acquainted with the seven deadly sins/I keep a busy schedule/ trying to fit them in". Actually no, that doesn't embody values either. But it is aspirational...

11:37 AM  
Blogger zazzi said...

Mr Bad Example does sound like fun, also a song by Oasis which needs no more than the title, and embodies similar values: The Importance of Being Idle. 'Tis a wonderful song, as well as having a superlative title.
About the Thatcher thing: we are never going to agree, and there is very little point in going backwards and forwards about it - 'Evil'
'Not'
'Evil'
'Not' &etc...
So let's agree to differ. K?
I'm still worried about my hair, you know. Though not as worried as JE would be - having never cut it, etc. She doesn't know it, but it is the secret wish of most of the current L5 to shave her head while she sleeps, or at the very least snip a bit off it during a particularly boring history lesson. There was a scandal about that last year, actually - Evie (my favourite person) claimed to have cut off some of JE's hair without her realising it. JE was absolutely furious, she screamed blue murder. Was v amusing. Turned out Evie hadn't done it anyway, so JE's hair remains unsullied by the cold metal of scissors, and Evie of the cold hand of death-by-burst-eardrums.
But anyway.
And am re-insisting upon having Procopius as an icon, he is just... wonderful. Obviously I didn't insist loud enough the first time.
Anyway, good thing JE's come back from Amsterdam and is no longer living the ife of luxury amongst the Dutch going at it like rabbits, and is now back mong the English who are also, probably, going at it like rabbits, and are just discreet enough to close the shutters and maybe not open hundreds of shops selling their favourite *ahem* toys.
All v worried about JEs OBSESSIVE CLUTCHING (has to be capitalised, apparently). But I have to go to bed - I am being awoken at the ungodly hour of
9:30 tomorrow, I doubt I will survive the experience.

2:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You ought to be worried about your hair, you know. Well, perhaps not, but if I were not quite this lazy... *mutters, 'I know where you live' in a sinister fashion*

4:53 AM  
Blogger Juliet Evans said...

On the contrary- reason I am so worried about the unsullied glory of my hair is that I am perfectly aware of not-so-hidden desires of whole of L5. Would like to second proposition of EFRUvW-M as icon, because, hey, you ought to do something to relieve the existential angst warranted by the nominal concerns of classicists. There are charitable concerns over that sort of thing.

Am still vaguely annoyed at Evie, but hey, she's tramping through south america and both the newspapers I read this morning were making fun of her family's trip, so yeah, I feel satisfied.

Fail to see why GENIUSES in manner of Oscar should have to concern themselves with petty bill-paying. Lavishing care and attention and money and really good sex on one's lover is perfectly good form as far as I'm concerned. (See how you people have corrupted me?)

And just who is anonymous anyway? Is it K? Is it D? Is it M? Is it neither K nor D nor M, but somebody who is pretending to be K or D in order to fool is into revealing the identity of M? WHO IS IT?

9:52 AM  
Blogger pseudo bohemian loser said...

GENII please, Juliet Evans. I can disregard everything you say because of that little slip up. Do you not understand the guilt thing yet? No-one is ever fully forgiven by me or by themselves. EFRUvM-W is not here because if I post his name people googling will find it. I don't necessarily want them to do so. He doesn't embody the values properly, either.

anonymous is K. Not the same as anonymouswebster who is J (one of many, and not the one you know). M is off in the wilds of the English countryside at present, and doesn't post here.

Oh, and the priest is convinced of the glory of the King James now.

10:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not so much that he didn't pay the bills, but that three family members were relying upon him to do so, with no other means of living. He abandoned them, without any money. That's the problem.
Abandoning your family for your lover just isn't high up on the moral scale, however understandable it might be.

Your last paragraph was mildly confusing, and I wasn't aware that the identity of M was a mystery. Anyway, I am not she, and my identity is not overtly important. D has an account, by the way, so not her either :p

10:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oi! You told them :(

10:42 AM  
Blogger zazzi said...

Well, I'm confused.
JE, you have my email, right? You may well have to emil me and enlighten me as to the identities of K, D, M, and J as well!
You should definitely tell me the names of the newspapers making fun of her trip, I need some cheering up and laughing at Evie in a public manner would be just the ticket.
I have a proposition for all of us, though it is covertly aimed at anonymous - when we post a comment specifically aimed at someone, for example this hair thing, we should write in big, bold, CAPITALISED letters who it is to. As I still don't know whether it's my hair or PBLs that's in danger. Also do not know whether anonymous knows where I live or where PBL lives. Or in fact where JE lives.
Would also like to point out that PBL is quite probably my soulmate, or at the very least a mind reader (though being robustly conservative and owning various items made of tweed, I don't believe in that sort of nonsense). I have been campaigning for the plural of genius to be genii for... ooh, ages. And for the plural of hairbrush to be hairbri. and the plural of dogs to be dogii, and...
Will be quiet now.

12:30 PM  
Blogger Juliet Evans said...

Actually, Z, anonymous does know where I live. Which is frankly firhgtening. And I'm sending you that email now. And I can't capitalise your name because I'm only using the initial and it's already capitalised.

12:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right you lot, I am now thoroughly confused about who you two are, or rather, which one's which, answers on a postcard to the following address.. (and failing that; elevenyunited at hotmail dot com).
Not my usual email address but it seems my computer died.

Yes, I am Katie (of the opinion that pseudonyms are far more trouble than they're worth). You two won't know M or J (assuming he's the elder), and nor do I for that matter. I am not a fan of this blogger's comments layout. Mine works far better, but you're not getting your hands on it. Really, msn would be so much easier.. *frowns at technophobic PBLs*

3:32 PM  
Blogger Juliet Evans said...

Look. Katy. I'm the one who's never cut her hair. How many people do you know who fit that bill, exactly? Zazzi is the other one wo tags along to joint phil soc and generally makes a nuisance of herself and in real life has a name that begins with C.

And no, I'm not giving you ANY MORE NOMINAL INFORMATION THAN THE FIRST INITIAL, because THEY are WATCHING us.

1:14 AM  
Blogger zazzi said...

I am that she.
If that makes sense.
No, it doesn't.
Ah well. Who cares.
I am indeed the one who tags along to Joing Phil Soc, generally makes a nuisance of herself, and has a name beginning with C.
But THEY are WATCHING us, as JE so succintly put it, so you will have to figure out my name for yourself. It is not Carla.
Am v excited to see this wondrous commenting system, what is your blog address?
Anyway, the Mystery Illness is being revealed later today, when I come back from the doctors'. Wish me luck, or at least wish it isn't something overly lethal.
Bye. When you next see me, I will be fully diagnosed...!
*Vanishes in a puff of green and silver smoke* (Note Slytherin colour-coordination)
*And now for my next trick... surviving avian flu!

6:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I use LJ, and no you're not seeing it.

And yes, I did think that.. but then got confused and.. eh.. well ok.

10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous Webster said...

People seem to be misunderstanding the point of iconic songs and icons. They are not people/songs who/that we think are just generally cool, they are supposed to embody the spirit of pseudo-bohemian-loser-ness. So Thatcher, regardless of good or evilness (milk-snatcher, that's all I'm saying) is innappropriate.

On the subject of icons, I would like to suggest 1. Woody Allen for "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want to achieve it through not dying." 2. Terry Gilliam for being a nutter and 3. Tim Burton for general wonderfulness. Oh, and 4. Bill Hicks 'cos he's hilarious. On that subject 5. Bill Bailey for the same reason.

5:22 PM  
Blogger pseudo bohemian loser said...

Ok, I can defend my choices of icons. James I was a pseudo-bohemian loser because of favourites, which clearly reveals his major inferiority complex (he was that intelligent, that brilliant, that talented and still changed policies because he fancied some young aristocrat? Annd needed their approval? You'd think you'd be a tad more confident if you were king.) Also, if we go into fictional portrayals, in 1602 he is very pseudo-bohemian-loserish with Quicksilver.
Alcibiades: in fiction, if you read his speech in the Symposium you will understand. He was madly in love with Socrates, and highly pretentious, and this led to an unhappy demise.
Yes, Woody Allen, who failed a metaphysics exam for cheating (he peered into the soul of the boy next to him)
Burton, isn't he too cool to actually count? Ditto possibly Gilliam. Bill Hicks, wonderful comic who really flirted too much with misogyny, ok.
Bill Bailey, for the songs. When I cease thinking "Oh god, we have too many anthems" I may add some.
In the realm of fiction, could we add David from S.I.P? Definitely a pseudo bohemian loser I feel.

7:44 AM  
Anonymous anonymous webster said...

David is definitely allowed, he's an awesome pseudo bohemian loser. He writes poetry, is an arts student, has long hair (at times) and is in love with an unatainable woman. This IS pseudo bohemian loser-dom at its best.

9:59 AM  
Blogger pseudo bohemian loser said...

Ah but you haven't read Volume 4...only kidding. Interesting plot twists though, and nice irony.
Glad he's allowed.
I am trying terribly hard not to suggest classical poets, even though I think Sappho founded the subculture in spirit. I fear that everyone else may suddenly leave if I suggest her, rather like supposed reactions to playing "Joy Division" at parties

10:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

*sings along to the smiths* ^_^

*scowls at the person who suggested the milk snatched*

it's not nice being a small child who gets given water instead of milk at school because your parents can't afford to pay the new imposed milk money *sniffles*

2:08 PM  

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